How is Poland and are Poles seen by people other countries in the EU?

A poll (if you’ll excuse the pun) of 5,000 people of working age by The Guardian was published a few weeks ago (you can see the full data here).

Young people were asked online in GB, Germany, France, Spain and Poland.  (Yes, the EU is a massively bigger than that, but this is a British newspaper we are talking about so don’t expect too much.)

How do you think Poland did?  Do you think Poland is seen negatively or positively by young people in other countries?

When it comes to lifestyle matters, Polish people did quite well.

·       Cuisine: Poland comes out quite high.   

     Only behind France and Spain.

·       Friendly people: More friendly than the other four countries 

     apart from Spain.  More or less averagely unfriendly.

·       Attractiveness: Compared to the other four countries, Poles 

     were said to be the most attractive.

·       Best at holding their drink (alcohol): Poland.

Don’t ask how GB did.  It confirms my view that many people have prejudices about British things.  There was me thinking that people didn’t like Polish food (thinking that Poles only eat cabbage), but Polish food did quite well.  I’ll have to promote food from Britain more (and with good reason!  British food is very tasty.)  German food also did badly.  With good reason.  Anyway, my view is that French and Spanish food is more famous than Polish food, which is why they came out higher. 

Otherwise, the view of a Polish person is someone who is friendly, attractive and can drink a lot of alcohol.  (It should be said that no differentiation was made between men and women.  Whether men and women in Poland are equally seen to be attractive is open to debate).  Of course, whether any of these views show reality is another question.  The question of whether Poles or Spaniards are friendly is entirely contextual.  Poles in GB may be friendlier in than in Poland, for example, as they are wanting to practice their English.  Perhaps it is also due to body language.  Poles, I tend to find, touch other people more.  This may not be meant to be very friendly, but people from cultures where less touching happens can see the touching to be friendly.  Or flirtatious!

[Edit: It has been brought to my attention by a reader of this blog (readers don't comment here, they tell me directly, so I'll have to pass the news on) that the interviewees could answer for all countries, which included their own.  Did Polish people appraise their compatriots positively and therefore skewered the results?  Did other people vote negatively against their compatriots?  We demand answers.]

Now, onto economic and political matters:

·       Poles were the second most optimistic about the 

     future of the country’s economy

·       However, Poles are also the second highest more negative 

     about the future of the country’s economy

·       Generally, however, Poles are the second most 

     optimistic to the question of whether things 

     will get better for people.

·       Poles distrust their politicians the most.

·       Poles are the most likely to not want their government 

     to cut spending (come to the protests in GB!)

·       Apart from Spain, Poles are the most likely to 

     approve of emigration within the EU.

·       They are the most likely to approve of immigrants 

     from outside the EU.

·       Of the five countries, Poles are the most traditional 

     with regards to marriage, women’s and gay rights

·       However, just under half of Poles (49%) said they considered 

     themselves to be liberal with regards to such matters.

Regarding their attitude to GB, Poles came out overwhelmingly pro-GB compared to people from the other countries.  I guess this is down to the number of Poles who have lived in GB.  Also, there is less of a history of prejudice against GB in Poland.  We’ve had wars with the other countries within the past few centuries.

Anyway, back to Poland.  Generally Poles came across as positive about the future of their country.  This makes sense for me.  While some in Poland did worse after 1989, many have done better.  That the survey was done online shows that a certain social group of people from Poland took part in the survey: those with access to the internet and who could speak English.  In any case,  despite the lack of trust they have in politicians, things are better now than in the time of young people’s parents, when there were food shortages, rationing and martial law.  By German or French standards the standard of life in Poland may seem worse.  It’s all very relative.

[Political opinion alert] Some Polish politicians give good reason for distrusting Polish politicians in Poland.  Things in Poland have been quite divisive since the rise and then more-or-less fall of PiS.[/End of political opinion alert]

With regards to being either 'liberal' or 'traditional', it may be surprising to see that just under a half of Poles consider themselves to be liberal regarding marriage, women's and gay right.  Do you think this is true?  Or could it be the case that the interviewees considered the term 'liberal' to be a good thing to say to a British newspaper and therefore said it?

I am putting 'liberal' in inverted commas, for reason I am sure you understand.  You may have heard the 'I am not racist/sexist/anti-semitic/homophobic, but.....' line.  I mean this point generally, not specific to Poland.

Such a liberality however seems to be clearer with regards to immigrants.  While Polish immigration (which has taken place for centuries) may help Poles to be more pro-immigration, Poles are also more likely to accept immigrants from outside the EU.  Maybe that means Ukrainians and Belarussians?  What do you think?  Please write underneath.

Anyway, please take part in the poll on the right side; Do you see the future of Poland to be positive or negative?  Please write underneath in the comments why you have made your choice.  Let’s make a good poll (pun most definitely intended this time).

Stranger in a strange land (or, ‘Poles don’t do small talk’)

[Disclaimer: This article contains a selection of impressions.  Now, impressions are a tricky ground.  Usually I like to write and speak of issues which involve clearly objective data.  I feel less comfortable in writing about my impressions of Poles, as my impressions and that of other people can be wrong, in that they cannot possibly describe all Poles.  Even statements by Poles about Poles are to be distrusted, as these statements have a lot to do with their own desire to promote positive or negative propaganda.  It is impossible to know what all Poles are like.  In any case, any statement about other people is also a statement about oneself.]

‘Poles don’t do small talk’, said a client of mine.  I had never thought about that issue before.  I do trainings about cultural differences and just a few weeks before this discussion spoke with a group of young people about different polarities with regards to things like attitudes to time (hold to a plan or be spontaneous).  One of the polarities is fast verses slow information.  Advertisements are examples of fast information as  one understands them straight away.  No thought is necessary.  Slow information is more about taking time to understand the message, such as when reading poetry.  Small talk is fast information.

I thought to myself, do Poles really not do small talk?  I tried to think of examples:

In my local fruit and veg shop I know the people who work there, as I have been shopping there for a  few years now.  I am the foreign guy who speaks Polish; something that pleases them.  One day I was buying the usual veg and asked for eggs and lemons.  That day was Shrove Tuesday, therefore I was to make some pancakes.  I told her, ‘Today in Great Britain we eat pancakes, as it is the day before the start of the fast’.  Her response was to say ‘you need some flour?’.  In other words, my comment was seen as a business transaction, not small talk.

I know the cousin of a friend.  We have spoken with each other a few times at events and parties.  I saw him one day on the street by where I live.   The conversation went like this:

Me: Hi *gives hand to shake*

Him: Hi *shakes hand*
Me: How are you?
Him: OK, and you?
Me: OK.
Him:
Me: Err….nice weather today, eh?
Him: Yes.
Me: Err….you busy with work?
Him: Not too bad
Me: Yeah, well, I have a busy time coming up.
Him:
Me: So…err….
Him: Right, I need to be getting off.
Me: OK, see you.
Him: Cheers.

I thought he was unfriendly, or found it strange that I spoke to him.  Or thought he didn’t like me.  Or something.

So, maybe my client is right.  Maybe these examples prove the thesis that Poles don’t do small-talk.  Of course, these are just two examples.  Perhaps Poles are busy small-talking* to their hearts content and I haven’t noticed.  Perhaps the weather is not considered to be important in Poland (ah, the weather, the subject that produces a social glue in GB as it gives us something to small-talk about).  Maybe there’s a whole array of topics that Poles small-talk about that I haven’t learned about yet.

I have heard the story of an older Pole who went into a shop in Germany and got annoyed with the cashier sayings things like 'Hello', and 'Nice day today, eh?'  She said she only would have spoken with the cashier if she wanted something.

The thing for me is, what is the alternative to small-talk?  Really, I have no idea.  I am so cultured in doing it that I cannot contemplate the alternative.  Now, the theory is that slow-information (i.e. doing the opposite of small-talk) exists to help deeper relationships to happen.  Social networks certainly appear to be stronger in Poland.  People actually tell you how they feel when you ask ‘How are you?’ People ask me how I am feeling, and expect me to tell the truth (that took me a while to get used to).  I take their behaviour to be friendly, when for them it may be neutral.


Am I being clear?  I am not talking about Poles or anyone being friendly or unfriendly.  I am talking about perceptions.  That I (unconsciously) take small-talk to mean friendliness, I can take behaviour here to be unfriendly when it fact that was not the intended act.  Others can consider me to be superficial because of my use of small-talk, because they unconsciously consider conversations about the weather or whatever to be 'banal'.

The strange thing is, Poles who have lived in GB consider us to be

(a) Friendly

(b) Unfriendly

Friendly, in that people working in shops, pubs and restaurants talk with them about subjects other than what they are buying.  Unfriendly, in that they find us to be superficial; asking questions but not wanting a long discussion or to take an interest in the other person.

Now, many times Poles ask me ‘What do you think of Polish people?’  I try to avoid giving an answer, saying ‘Like all countries, there are good things and bad things’.  I have had the experience of smiley faces looking at me expectantly ready for me to compliment Poles, faces who are then to look forlorn as I dash their self-image on the bloody rocks as I speak of things like my impressions of unfriendly service (that’s worth an article in itself).  I was talking with a girl recently who knows someone who knows many foreigners who live in Wrocław.  What are their impressions of Poles:

'Poles are closed and unfriendly‘.

I disagree with this.  The friends and family of my wife are very friendly to me.  They have been so since they first met me.  The colleagues of my wife are also friendly with me; asking me how I am and looking sad whenever I am ill or something.

That’s the point though.  My wife is a bridge to these people.  That’s why they are friendly.  I am 'in‘ the group.

Non-Poles who don’t have such a bridge though seem to spend time with other foreigners who live in Wrocław.  Now, some fellow non-Poles make friends at work.  Anyway, most of my friends when I lived in Germany were not German.  The Polish language is a big factor.  Poles are less used to foreigners so often don’t remember to speak slower when they speak Polish.  Nevertheless, my impression of Poland is that Poles can appear closed and unfriendly.  If you’re not in the group, they don’t want to know.

Part of this is social.  Poles tend to marry and have children earlier.  That means they have less time for social things.  Certainly, most of my Polish friends are people of students‘ age.  I am not sure whether Poles continue to make close friends after they get married, or even enter a long-term relationship.  The friends they have in school and university stay for life (that’s a good thing).  They however appear to be happy with the friends they have and don’t need any more.  Any new friends comes not through chance conversations in a shop, in a pub, in church or at the gym.

That’s my impression anyway.  (Cue loads of comments underneath with many stories proving me wrong!  Do so.  It is good to be wrong sometime.)  As soon as you're in the group they can be very friendly.

I strongly believe that Brits, Germans and Poles are not that different.  Some people are friendly, and some are unfriendly. The thing is, cultural and social influences effect how we demonstrate this friendliness, and how we see the friendliness of other people.  Perhaps Poles have stories about how I or others come across as unfriendly, when in my case I thought I was being friendly (my stereotypically British dark sense of humour is sometimes a factor here).

Right, that’s enough reading for you!  Tell us, do you think Poles do small-talk?  Do Poles (or people from other countries) appear friendly or unfriendly for you?  If so, how did you ‚see‘ that?

* Note for English learners: The verbs ‘to small-talk’ or ‘small-talking’ don’t exist.  I have taken poetic license in this article.