tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4949708395670030321.post9033419083836015930..comments2024-03-17T11:26:50.303+01:00Comments on Wroclaw workshops: Taboo: Racism in GBUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4949708395670030321.post-74749179637311800262012-01-12T20:46:12.320+01:002012-01-12T20:46:12.320+01:00My final comment on this subject, but I do know th...My final comment on this subject, but I do know that the two Liverpool fans (don't know why only one has been charged) who did this were wearing copies of the T-shirts that Liverpool players wore in support of Suarez, which is how I know that they were thus influenced. Anyway, thanks for an engaging discussion. I do agree that getting charged by the FA usually means getting punished by the FA. I remember Ian Wright and Nigel Winterburn being let off for something, and Wrighty scoring the next weekend and revealing a T-shirt saying "I love the FA" and Winterburn revealing one saying "So do I!" The fact that I remember this so clearly just shows how rare it is...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17219808687488549938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4949708395670030321.post-19922634831698121952012-01-11T10:10:23.570+01:002012-01-11T10:10:23.570+01:00Sorry, just to add, I mentioned this link: http://...Sorry, just to add, I mentioned this link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16430580.stm There one sees that of the 471 FA convictions, none were overturned on review.Czarny kapturekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14114168685602658161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4949708395670030321.post-11130163367050869722012-01-10T23:19:34.473+01:002012-01-10T23:19:34.473+01:00471 out of 473 commissions by the FA go the FA'...471 out of 473 commissions by the FA go the FA's way. There is no chance of winning with them. Liverpool FA know that, hence the lack of appeal. FA rules state that one cannot appeal against the verdict, rather the ban.<br /><br />It's not "several", it was "one" Liverpool fan who has been charged with a racially-aggravated offense. You don't know whether that has anything to do with Liverpool's support of Suarez.<br /><br />Liverpool did say, by the way, that they (I cannot remember the exact words) hold Evra's testimony to be untrue.Czarny kapturekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14114168685602658161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4949708395670030321.post-32086866867019642442012-01-10T21:07:06.176+01:002012-01-10T21:07:06.176+01:00I still believe that they have left too much open ...I still believe that they have left too much open to interpretation by deciding not to appeal, and by waffling about there being "more to the case than meets the eye". If they simply said he didn't do it and Evra is lying, I could understand their reaction, but I don't think that's what they are saying. As the Oldham incident proves, certain Liverpool fans have interpreted this as a green light to be racist to opposition players. There are so many ways they could have supported their player without doing this. Whether what the media have said is right or wrong - and I'm quite sure a lot of it is wrong - people are going to believe it, therefore Liverpool are going to look like a club that actively condones racism.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17219808687488549938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4949708395670030321.post-31540570390305118282012-01-10T14:13:24.438+01:002012-01-10T14:13:24.438+01:00Jenni: No, I believe that the Liverpool management...Jenni: No, I believe that the Liverpool management are totally right in supporting Suarez the way they have. The accusation against Suarez is foul, one that will stick with him, especially as the FA (mindful of looking good to FIFA) have found him guilty. A guilty verdict which would never happen in a proper court. We say in Britain that one is innocent till proven guilty. Suarez has not been proven to be guilty of racism. He needs all the support he can get. I actually think that he'll end up leaving Liverpool; something that will of course benefit the club whose player made the claim. If you were claimed on the "Christians against the EDL" group of making a racist comment and I believed that you hadn't, I would stand up for you. That's a good message to make. <br /><br />John Barnes, a player who faced vile racism while playing for Liverpool would agree with me: http://news.sky.com/home/video/health/video/16144726 <br /><br />So would the management of Oldham Athletic: "Latics have issued the following statement on the incident involving Tom Adeyemi which happened during Friday's FA Cup with Budweiser, third-round tie at Liverpool.<br /><br />"The Chairman and Directors of Oldham Athletic Football Club would like to thank Liverpool Football Club and officers of the Merseyside Police for their concerns and painstaking efforts in investigating the circumstances surrounding the incident involving Tom Adeyemi.<br /><br />"Excellent communication has been maintained and the Club and player have been notified of every detail during the progress of the investigation. The professional standards applied throughout have been praiseworthy.<br /><br />"The Club would also like to thank the numerous fans from Liverpool and Oldham, and also those from around the country, who have sent letters of support to Tom.<br /><br />"This type of incident is contained within a minority and should not deflect from a superb match that was enjoyed by both sets of Club officials and fans.<br /><br />"We wish Liverpool every success in the next round of the Cup."<br /><br />Kenny is also right: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/09/kenny-dalglish-liverpool-racism<br /><br />One sees here that Liverpool FC have come out strongly against racism.Czarny kapturekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14114168685602658161noreply@blogger.com